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Post by Sm0rt on Apr 9, 2008 23:55:23 GMT
Yea I agree that there is no definite cut off line for when you should or should not be allowed abortion and it can be down alot to personall situation a prefrence! Does anyone feel that abortion is ok in a situation where the child was a mistake after faliure of contraception?
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Post by reddevil07utd on Apr 10, 2008 7:25:05 GMT
Most definatly not. I feel that everyone knows about protection and its a choice that everyone has to live with. If you choose not to take any precautions then you are willing to accept any consequences. I think if it was a situation of someone getting attacked or forced upon then this i would agree with. As much as it would still be cruel i feel that in some circumstances it should be allowed. For people that just want to have intercourse and not protect themselves then i say too bad. (harsh I Know)
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Post by Sm0rt on Apr 10, 2008 8:11:09 GMT
I agree with you totally there! What would you think if someone used protection but it had a fault with it! Would you say that it is right to allow them to have an abortion?
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Post by reddevil07utd on Apr 10, 2008 13:04:45 GMT
Now that is a tricky one lol. I think there are always risks of something failing. I mean if you take the pill sometimes it doesnt work, condoms break or whatever but i still think its not enough to say thats ok ill just have an abortion, not only is it not right but its not good for the person involved as sometimes it can casue complications later in life when you do want babies.
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Post by Sm0rt on Apr 10, 2008 16:50:43 GMT
I feel that it is not really acceptable! Not many good things come in life with out a risk or some sort of problem! I feel that when you decide to have intercorse then you take that risk and if the protection fails you must then realise that you have taken a risk and you now have a child to look after! People not in a situation to have a child should not put themselves in this possible situation!
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Post by reddevil07utd on Apr 14, 2008 6:42:04 GMT
Yes i agree with that comment 100% We all know the risks and as you said if you take a risk and it faisl then you have to deal with the consequences.
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Post by breakmydreams on Apr 27, 2008 1:43:07 GMT
I find abortion to be a wrong thing to do...
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Post by ronprice on May 11, 2008 2:46:44 GMT
Apologetics is a branch of systematic theology, although some experience it’s thrust in religious studies or philosophy of religion courses. Some encounter it on the internet for the first time in a more populist and usually much less academic form. As I see it, apologetics is primarily concerned with the protection of a religious, philosophical or generally intellectual position, the refutation of that position's assailants and, in the larger sense, the exploration of that position in the context of prevailing philosophies and standards in a secular society. Apologetics, to put it slightly differently, is concerned with answering critical inquiries, criticism of a position, in a rational manner.
Apologetics is not possible, it seems to me anyway, without a commitment to and a desire to defend a position. There are, of course, professionals who engage in this sort of work. Some are philosophers with PhDs who are employed in philosophy departments and, more recently, in departments of other disciplines at universities. Some are famed and accomplished men and women of learning and vast erudition. Then, again, there are the sagacious leaders and influential personalities who constitute yet another category of people who engage in apologetics. And, finally, there are a host of others from the average bloke to the most humble who make no claim or pretence to professional apologetics or even necessarily informed views, but they still hold views being human.
This activity I engage in, namely apologetics, is a never ending exercise, although I do take time out like everyone else to eat, sleep and occasionally be merry. The apologetics that concerns me here at this site is apologetics vis-a-vis abortion. My apologetics position vis-a-vis abortion is not a Christian apologetics nor any one of a variety of what might be called secular apologetics, nor is it any one of a multitude of philosophical apologetics, tied to some particular philosophy. The apologetics that is of most interest to me in this debate is: Baha’i apologetics.
There are, of course, many points of comparison and contrast between my apologetics and the apologetics of a vast array of others and their apologetic positions. Christians defend their view of abortion from a Christian perspective by the use of apologetics; secular humanists argue their cases, existentialists theirs, Platonists theirs, and so on, if they so desire here. I will in turn defend my Baha'i apologetics and its relation to abortion. In the process we all, hopefully, learn something about our respective faiths, our religions, our intellectual positions, our philosophies, inter alia which we hold to our hearts and minds dearly--and hopefully we may come to some harmonic in this area of seemingly mutually exclusive categories of opinion. At the outset, then, in these my introductory words, my intention is simply to make this start, to state what you might call "my apologetics position." This brief statement indicates, in broad outline, where I am coming from in the weeks and months ahead should anyone want to pursue the exercise. I shall return.-Ron Price with thanks to Udo Schaefer, "Baha'i Apologetics?" Baha'i Studies Review, Vol. 10, 2001/2002.
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Post by ronprice on May 24, 2008 13:09:51 GMT
As a Baha'i my position is stated as follows and in summary:
The Universal House of Justice has written: "Abortion merely to prevent the birth of an unwanted child is strictly forbidden in the Cause. There may, however, be instances in which an abortion would be justified by medical reasons, and legislation on this matter has been left to the Universal House of Justice." (Lights of Guidance, 2nd edition, p.34) ----------------------------------- According to the National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the USA, "Baha'is believe the soul becomes associated with the body at conception, and the deliberate taking of human life is generally not permitted. Baha'i writings clearly state that abortion merely to prevent the birth of an unwanted child is forbidden. Baha'i institutions do not legislate on the issue of abortion, and it is left to the individuals concerned to decide the best course of action."
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Post by Mara on Jun 7, 2008 1:36:31 GMT
I don't think abortion is right atall.It is liveing and breathing.In fact when a pregnant woman is killed the peron who killed her is charged with 2 murders but for some reason if the mother kills the child thur abortion it isn't considerd murder.It just doesn't make sence I agree with that. It's a crazy double standard in my opinion, that society has set up for us. My personal opinion is that abortion is always murder, no matter for what reason it is done for. Whether it's because the child is unwanted, may be raised by unfit parents or the result of rape. Or many other reasons where abortion could come into the picture. It is still killing a human being. If the child is unwanted or comes into a difficult situation, then there is always adoption. Put the child into a loving family would would care for it. Don't murder it. If your cat has kittens that you don't want, do you give the kittens away or just kill them? Yes, I know they are "only animals", but I think the analogy works. I do agree that there could be some problems if abortion is made illegal. However, it should be made illegal, either way. Other crimes are also illegal, and they haven't been stopped. It's just how the world works.
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